The Graves-Ditzler, Or, Great Carrollton Debate (Volume 2); Infant Baptism

This historic book may have numerous typos and missing text. Purchasers can download a free scanned copy of the original book (without typos) from the publisher. Not indexed. Not illustrated. 1876. Excerpt: ... UR. GRAVES' TENTH REPLY. Mr. President.--I wish at the out-start to call your attention to the evasive statement of Elder Ditzler as he commenced his last speech, and I frankly express my astonishment! It was Elder Ditzler who privately suggested to me as I was rising to deliver my seventh speech that we discuss the Covenants no longer. I replied they are your stronghold, and I am going to thoroughly examine them, as we agreed to do. He replied I am willing to concede that they furnish no ground for infant baptism. I said if you will rise and state that to the congregation t will consent to discuss them no more. Elder Ditzler did rise and did state openly and frankly that he conceded that the old Covenants, afforded 110 ground for Infant Baptism and we had mutually agreed to discuss them no more. I repeated his confession word for word as it stands in the record uncorrected by him or the Moderators, and upon that closed the Old Testament and opened the New and the Old Testament Covenant, made with Abraham or Moses we have from that hour discussed no more. This audience knows I have stated the facts in the case. Does Elder Ditzler wish at this late hour in the discussion of this proposition to go back on his word and honor, and seek to evade the force of that concession? I do not agree with him that the Covenant of Redemption was made with our first parents after the fall. I showed him that what he called that Covenant was made with Satan and not with Adam or Eve! I do not agree with him that the Covenant of Redemption was made with Abraham or any of the fathers or with any mortal being, but the Father made it with his chosen One, the Son, before the foundation ot the world, and Christ stood surety to the Father for his people, while Elder Ditzler declares...